Thursday, October 18, 2012

As Usual, Goonswarm Proves Us Wrong

I've gone on a couple of rants lately, bitching about the apparent intention by CCP to make highsec a safer place for carebears. Crimewatch, especially suspect flagging. Gangbang kill rights. Wardec costs. A lack of desire to balance highsec's risk versus reward.

And the mining barge and exhumer buff. Especially this.

Some of those, taken individually, are worthwhile and necessary changes. Taken as a whole, they speak to an overhaul shift in philosophy. Perhaps that shift is not much of a shift at all. Take the miner buffs, for example.

The commonly held belief, since the buff, was that ganking these ships was now so unprofitable that they'd become effectively ungankable, even when the miners fit for mining yield only. I certainly took this notion at face value. As did many in the community.

It took Goonswarm to prove us wrong as they now embark on Gallente Ice Interdiction 2.0. Whereas highsec may be a bit safer, due to changes this past year, and mining ganking as a profitable solo profession is almost no more, there are still ways to turn a profit if you gank miners on a large enough scale.

I received a private tweet from Powers on October 14th, hinting that I should check out the Oxygen Isotope market. I saw that something was going down. Volumes way up, and the price nearly doubled in a 24 hour period. But it didn't occur to me at all that Goonswarm might be ganking ice miners again.

I've been poring over the Ministry of Love killboard. (Unfortunately, I won't be linking it, since I was asked not to make the URL public. I'll leave publicizing MiniLuv's killboards to Goonswarm.)

Since October 13th, Goonswarm has destroyed 209 mining barges, exhumers, and industrial command ships (mainly Retrievers, Mackinaws, and Orcas.) Most Retriever kills require a single Catalyst. Mackinaw kills require two or three Catalysts (depending on whether the miner fits any tank whatsoever.) Orca kills are taking between nine and twelve Catalysts.

Two popular fits I'm seeing, one a Tech II fit, the other a cheaper Tech I fit.
[Tech II Gankalyst]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Prototype Sensor Booster

Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
This Tech II puppy costs approximately 7.5M ISK.
[Tech I Gankalyst]
Linear Flux Stabilizer I
Linear Flux Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter S
Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter S
Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter S
Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter S
Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter S
Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter S
Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter S
Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
This fit runs about 2.7M ISK.

The average module drop off a Mackinaw is about 3M ISK, plus a 75% chance at a 20M ISK armor plate if you salvage. Considering it takes between 7M and 20M ISK worth of Catalysts to gank a Mackinaw, profiting on the gank alone is now slim to none.

(Hey CCP, release some faction/deadspace mining lasers, harvesters and upgrades. Give the yield miners an opportunity to bling out their ships. Bring back miner ganking for profit to some small degree.)

Check out the Oxygen Isotope market. Look at the volumes the last five days. This is how you profit. Not through ganking, but through destabilizing the market, which the ganking encourages. It requires a massive effort though, one that Goonswarm is readily capable of. No 100-person alliance is going to be able to accomplish this.

The oxytope volumes do speak further to Goonswarm's motivations here. Those volumes aren't so outrageous that Goonswarm is in total control of the market, or that they were even interested in taking control. There won't be profits in the hundreds of billions. I think the current miner ganking is more of a trial run, to see if an Interdiction 2.0 can be feasible. Consider 2.0 a beta test. Make some profit, cover the costs of the exercise, but it doesn't appear Goonswarm's gone all-in on this little endeavour. I think it's mostly for the shits-and-giggles, and to prove to themselves that if they want to do Ice Interdictions in the future, turn massive profits, the ability to do so is well within their reach. I'd expect to see more of this in 2013, on a grander scale.

18 comments :

  1. Stop Stalking Susan you creepOctober 18, 2012 at 10:01 PM

    You profit off the gank because Exhumers drop Intact Armor plates, sometimes three at a time. Given about twenty million a plate that is some nice green.

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    1. Mocking Susan is hardly stalking.

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    2. He's right though. It's all about the intact armor plates!

      You'll average a plate 75% of the time. You normally make on average about 20 million per kill.

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    3. Thanks to both of you. I updated the post to reflect armor plate drops.

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  2. Yes, Retrievers and Mackinaws are still very gankable.

    Procurers and Skiffs, however, are another story. They can mine ice nearly as well as the Retriever and Mackinaw, and support a much more massive tank. It won't take long for the ice miners to make the switch.

    You can still cost-effectively gank a Skiff, but you'll need Tornadoes, or the equivalent, to do it.

    BTW - cost-effective only means that your target will lose as much or more, ISK-wise, than you; it does not mean that you'll be able to break-even on the gank.

    Procurers cannot be ganked cost-effectively. Period. They are currently way, way OP, with regards to tank. And, if you bought a bunch of them pre-buff, they only cost around 2M ISK each.

    On the other hand, I suppose that you could use a fleet of free noob ships, but this wouldn't be very efficient.

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    1. " It won't take long for the ice miners to make the switch."

      Retrievers are so cheap that losing a few won't deter most human miners. Macks possibly another matter...can't speak for bots either, if retrievers/macks make it harder to detect them, then it will be hard to shift them off those with just a few ganks.

      "On the other hand, I suppose that you could use a fleet of free noob ships, but this wouldn't be very efficient."

      Time is money. that would either take time to set up buddy accounts, or time to rat up sec status. either way, with a proper accounting of time to money, that's way too expensive.

      I have a feeling that miners are fleeing Gallente space because they are risk-averse, when this may possibly be the best time to mine there.

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    2. I love how people call something OP cause they cant make a profit or break even killing/ganking it.

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  3. >I've been pouring over the Ministry of Love killboards.

    That's "poring", unless you're a bottle of Mrs. Butterworth's, you wanker!

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    1. I like how there's more journalistic integrity in Eve than in the real world :) Makes me feel good about the one I choose to live in most of the time.

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  5. Good job Goons! Keeping things interesting.

    I'm not terribly surprised. The original interdiction seemed to be a fun event, I remember Mittens and Weaselior writing about how much fun they were having in their Brutixes. I suspect the only reason it's taken so long to happen again is the finance team telling people to hold off while the price drops. It's been, what?, a month since isotopes went under 500?

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  6. Miner ganking is no longer feasible.
    Ganking idiots who still fit for max yield is and always be possible.

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  7. Hmmm. what does this say about the war against DOT?

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    1. The ministry of love have always been doing highsec things and this is no different.

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  8. Razor pilot here: My friends I needed to get our sec status down to respectable levels, so we had a gank night our trial and error ganking definitely confirmed this. (Although we didn't gank any orcas, skiffs or procurers). With a gank fleet of five, and in a 0.5 sysyem, we were able to usually take down multiple ships in one gank.

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  9. My fellow buddies and I were praying for goons to come back with the ice prices tumbling. Now we quickly made the switch to our pre-fitted skiffs, and are raking in the isk :))
    The goons don't even bother trying to gank us, at most they bump our orcas about, but as long as the old girl is still giving a boost to the fleet, who gives a shit if she's 300km away and being molested by a machuriel lol

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  10. "No 100-person alliance is going to be able to accomplish this." --(Poetic Stanziel)

    Hot-rod PC, going to be picked up tomorrow or Monday. My alliance is at war with...well, everyone and their dog, basically, but even so (assuming that EVE will once again be even playable for me):

    Challenge.
    Accepted.

    Because it shows in general CCP's, and in particular CCPPoundSandWave's criminal hypocrisy in no uncertain terms regarding these changes and the ones up-coming.

    As well, it must be demonstrated, once and for all, that fucking GoonShits and other RMT-fattened nulltrash are not the only ones that can still have fun in the "less-savoury" areas of the sandbox only by dint of size and riches alone.

    Or, conversely, it must be proven conclusively the opposite.

    In which latter case, EVE really is in trouble.

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